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	<description>A Catholic blog devoted to thoughts and discussion of the universal vocation to love and holiness, as well as the discernment of the concrete way of life in which we are to fulfill this vocation to love.</description>
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		<title>Comment on Perfect Contrition and the Sacrament of Penance by Richard Litzinger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Litzinger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Sep 2010 16:50:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If we love God, we try to keep His commands and live according to His will. The ordinary means of forgiving sins after Baptism is Confession, and this is taught by the Church as the will of God. If we follow His will in love, we will intend to receive absolution as soon as possible. I can see how an ambiguity may be seen in the CCC statement, but interpretation of it in the historical mind of the Church should clarify it. I would hope the teachers of children and adults, as well as preachers and pastors, teach the best ways to obtain a love for God, such as will inspire and effect perfect contrition.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If we love God, we try to keep His commands and live according to His will. The ordinary means of forgiving sins after Baptism is Confession, and this is taught by the Church as the will of God. If we follow His will in love, we will intend to receive absolution as soon as possible. I can see how an ambiguity may be seen in the CCC statement, but interpretation of it in the historical mind of the Church should clarify it. I would hope the teachers of children and adults, as well as preachers and pastors, teach the best ways to obtain a love for God, such as will inspire and effect perfect contrition.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Universal Call to Holiness by m0nJC</title>
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		<dc:creator>m0nJC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jun 2010 10:09:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, we&#039;re called to be a saint!
I dream to be a saint too :)

GOD calls us to be holy and we can be holy through any vocation we&#039;re called to....

Nice blog and web!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, we're called to be a saint!<br />
I dream to be a saint too <img src='http://www.pathsoflove.com/blogJFB/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>GOD calls us to be holy and we can be holy through any vocation we're called to&#8230;.</p>
<p>Nice blog and web!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Universal Call to Holiness by Graham</title>
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		<dc:creator>Graham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jun 2010 23:48:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I too found my way here via Google, whilst looking for articles on the Universal Call for Holiness. In addition I greatly appreciate many articles of solid theology written by Roman Catholics worldwide, to which your article is a part of. 

I am constantly refreshed and renewed by such writting. 

In short, please keep up the good work! 

Yours in Christ, Graham</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I too found my way here via Google, whilst looking for articles on the Universal Call for Holiness. In addition I greatly appreciate many articles of solid theology written by Roman Catholics worldwide, to which your article is a part of. </p>
<p>I am constantly refreshed and renewed by such writting. </p>
<p>In short, please keep up the good work! </p>
<p>Yours in Christ, Graham</p>
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		<title>Comment on Permanence of Grace by James</title>
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		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jun 2010 20:37:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An interesting text that I had not seen before concerning grace.  Thanks for posting it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An interesting text that I had not seen before concerning grace.  Thanks for posting it.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Universal Call to Holiness by Joseph Bolin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joseph Bolin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jun 2010 04:58:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Certainly. You are most welcome to do so.</description>
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		<title>Comment on Universal Call to Holiness by James Cooper</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Cooper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jun 2010 23:03:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is just what I was looking for and with your consent, i would like to use it for Bible Study at my church.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is just what I was looking for and with your consent, i would like to use it for Bible Study at my church.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Mortal Sins and Ignorance II &#8211; Where and When is the Mortal Sin? by Joseph Bolin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joseph Bolin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 May 2010 17:07:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Ignorance of Universal Principles&lt;/b&gt;
Aquinas&#039;s position is, or at least seems to be, that the &lt;i&gt;universal principles of law&lt;/i&gt; are sufficiently within one&#039;s power to know, that ignorance of them is substantially inexcusable -- thus the disorder of a gravely disordered act proceeding from such ignorance is substantially voluntary and so mortally sinful.

Aquinas does not attempt to give an exhaustive list of what these universal principles of law are, but understands at least the ten commandments to be included.

The Catechism of the Catholic Church in some sense affirms the same general principle: 1860 &lt;i&gt;Unintentional ignorance&lt;/i&gt; can diminish or even remove the imputability of a grave offense. But no one is deemed to be ignorant of the principles of the moral law, which are written in the conscience of every man.

The Catechism, even less so than St. Thomas, does not state &lt;i&gt;which&lt;/i&gt; principles of natural law are intended in this affirmation. While it surely does not intend to say that &quot;no is deemed to be ignorant of&quot; any precept that belongs in any way to natural law, it also surely means to say more than that no is ignorant of the first precept of natural law, &quot;do good and avoid evil&quot;. It does not here give examples, either, as Aquinas gives the example of fornication. 

Since this post was a follow up to the previous post talking about
sin that follow from &quot;ignorance of universal principles of law,&quot; I assumed this context. Perhaps I should have stated it explicitly.

&lt;b&gt;Ignorance of Particular Acts&lt;/b&gt;
Aquinas does not believe that one is always able to know in particular that a concrete act is objectively disordered. Hence one is not in every case gravely obliged to this knowledge, and in some cases may not be obliged at all. Aquinas several times gives the example (a rather odd one, though with a scriptural precedent for it) of a man who has sexual intercourse with a woman whom he honestly believes to be his wife.

The situation you are describing seems more like this latter type. For example, if I make fun of someone because it gives me pleasure, and don&#039;t realize that this act is likely to hurt him very badly, I commit an act that is objectively seriously disordered, and if done with full realization would be mortally sinful. Yet if the ignorance doesn&#039;t proceed from a total lack of consideration for that person, but from carelessness, it would seem to be venially sinful. (Since most cases of making fun of people don&#039;t hurt them gravely, there doesn&#039;t seem to be a general grave obligation to take particular care to notice whether it might cause great harm in a particular case.)

The same thing, I think, would apply to some cases of theft, lying, gluttony, sexual sins, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Ignorance of Universal Principles</b><br />
Aquinas's position is, or at least seems to be, that the <i>universal principles of law</i> are sufficiently within one's power to know, that ignorance of them is substantially inexcusable &#8212; thus the disorder of a gravely disordered act proceeding from such ignorance is substantially voluntary and so mortally sinful.</p>
<p>Aquinas does not attempt to give an exhaustive list of what these universal principles of law are, but understands at least the ten commandments to be included.</p>
<p>The Catechism of the Catholic Church in some sense affirms the same general principle: 1860 <i>Unintentional ignorance</i> can diminish or even remove the imputability of a grave offense. But no one is deemed to be ignorant of the principles of the moral law, which are written in the conscience of every man.</p>
<p>The Catechism, even less so than St. Thomas, does not state <i>which</i> principles of natural law are intended in this affirmation. While it surely does not intend to say that "no is deemed to be ignorant of" any precept that belongs in any way to natural law, it also surely means to say more than that no is ignorant of the first precept of natural law, "do good and avoid evil". It does not here give examples, either, as Aquinas gives the example of fornication. </p>
<p>Since this post was a follow up to the previous post talking about<br />
sin that follow from "ignorance of universal principles of law," I assumed this context. Perhaps I should have stated it explicitly.</p>
<p><b>Ignorance of Particular Acts</b><br />
Aquinas does not believe that one is always able to know in particular that a concrete act is objectively disordered. Hence one is not in every case gravely obliged to this knowledge, and in some cases may not be obliged at all. Aquinas several times gives the example (a rather odd one, though with a scriptural precedent for it) of a man who has sexual intercourse with a woman whom he honestly believes to be his wife.</p>
<p>The situation you are describing seems more like this latter type. For example, if I make fun of someone because it gives me pleasure, and don't realize that this act is likely to hurt him very badly, I commit an act that is objectively seriously disordered, and if done with full realization would be mortally sinful. Yet if the ignorance doesn't proceed from a total lack of consideration for that person, but from carelessness, it would seem to be venially sinful. (Since most cases of making fun of people don't hurt them gravely, there doesn't seem to be a general grave obligation to take particular care to notice whether it might cause great harm in a particular case.)</p>
<p>The same thing, I think, would apply to some cases of theft, lying, gluttony, sexual sins, etc.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Mortal Sins and Ignorance II &#8211; Where and When is the Mortal Sin? by James Chastek</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Chastek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 May 2010 15:46:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a very hard saying. 

In my own experience of sinning, one of the most common kinds of ignorance is when I know that there is something sinful about what I am doing, but I am not exactly sure if in this particular case that it is/ was mortal. It certainly seems that in the account that STA is giving here that I either have to say that my ignorance is invincible (which it almost certainly is not) or that I commit a mortal sin. This seems demand a clarity of thought that most human beings simply do not and cannot have.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a very hard saying. </p>
<p>In my own experience of sinning, one of the most common kinds of ignorance is when I know that there is something sinful about what I am doing, but I am not exactly sure if in this particular case that it is/ was mortal. It certainly seems that in the account that STA is giving here that I either have to say that my ignorance is invincible (which it almost certainly is not) or that I commit a mortal sin. This seems demand a clarity of thought that most human beings simply do not and cannot have.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Mortal Sins and Ignorance II &#8211; Where and When is the Mortal Sin? by bill bannonn</title>
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		<dc:creator>bill bannonn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 May 2010 19:48:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mine was the second point but I am smiling this past week vis a vis a previous discussion we had last week on section 80 of Splendor of the Truth.  Two muslims who had planned to kill the Pope were deported from Italy this past week to their original country and it is a perfect example of how John Paul did not define his terms sufficiently when inter alia he condemned &quot;deportation&quot; as in intrinsic evil in section 80.  Apparently this week neither this Pope nor the entire curia nor the world episcopate feel constrained to plead with Italy and have them call back the two murder planners to Italy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mine was the second point but I am smiling this past week vis a vis a previous discussion we had last week on section 80 of Splendor of the Truth.  Two muslims who had planned to kill the Pope were deported from Italy this past week to their original country and it is a perfect example of how John Paul did not define his terms sufficiently when inter alia he condemned "deportation" as in intrinsic evil in section 80.  Apparently this week neither this Pope nor the entire curia nor the world episcopate feel constrained to plead with Italy and have them call back the two murder planners to Italy.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Mortal Sins and Ignorance II &#8211; Where and When is the Mortal Sin? by Joseph Bolin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joseph Bolin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 May 2010 19:20:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The post is an analysis of &lt;em&gt;mortal sins committed out of ignorance&lt;/em&gt;. I am not ignoring either the fact that (1) some things are done out of an ignorance that is not culpable, or not significantly so, as when persons have done all that they can, or as much as they are obliged to do to attain the knowledge necessary for living well, and to free themselves from grave error or from excessive attachment to certain opinions, or the fact that (2) some instances in which persons do not follow the Church&#039;s teaching when it is not infallible will not be cases of &lt;em&gt;ignorance&lt;/em&gt; at all, but will be cases where their opinion is the true one. (&lt;i&gt;Quod potest deficere, quandoque deficit&lt;/i&gt;; among all of the cases in which the Church is not infallible, it will sometimes err; otherwise it would be infallible also in those cases.)

I take it that your main point is the first one. Granted the Church&#039;s teaching that contraception is intrinsically wrong, then those who believe it is not are in a state of ignorance. However, if this ignorance is not their own fault--if it does not arise from their willful negligence to learn from reliable sources, or from a disordered attachment to their own ways of thinking--then it is invincible ignorance, and the acts done consequently are not done out of a culpable ignorance. There is a reason why I said &quot;Let’s suppose that the ignorance is not invincible ignorance.&quot;

You may also have intended the second point. If the Church&#039;s teaching on contraception were erroneous, then those using contraception with a conviction that it is morally legitimate would not be acting out of ignorance, but out of true opinion or knowledge. However, since I follow the Church&#039;s teaching on this point, I assumed that those who are convinced that contraception is not wrong are in ignorance--either culpable or inculpable ignorance.

If it helps to consider the point of this post, one might replace &quot;use artificial contraception&quot; with &quot;have an abortion&quot;, &quot;kill a sickly relative who cannot enjoy life anymore,&quot; &quot;torture someone for the sake of vengeance&quot;, or something similar. Any of these could in principle be done with a conviction that the act is morally justified, and this mistaken conviction would either be inculpable/invincible, or culpable (the case I take up in this post).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The post is an analysis of <em>mortal sins committed out of ignorance</em>. I am not ignoring either the fact that (1) some things are done out of an ignorance that is not culpable, or not significantly so, as when persons have done all that they can, or as much as they are obliged to do to attain the knowledge necessary for living well, and to free themselves from grave error or from excessive attachment to certain opinions, or the fact that (2) some instances in which persons do not follow the Church's teaching when it is not infallible will not be cases of <em>ignorance</em> at all, but will be cases where their opinion is the true one. (<i>Quod potest deficere, quandoque deficit</i>; among all of the cases in which the Church is not infallible, it will sometimes err; otherwise it would be infallible also in those cases.)</p>
<p>I take it that your main point is the first one. Granted the Church's teaching that contraception is intrinsically wrong, then those who believe it is not are in a state of ignorance. However, if this ignorance is not their own fault&#8211;if it does not arise from their willful negligence to learn from reliable sources, or from a disordered attachment to their own ways of thinking&#8211;then it is invincible ignorance, and the acts done consequently are not done out of a culpable ignorance. There is a reason why I said "Let’s suppose that the ignorance is not invincible ignorance."</p>
<p>You may also have intended the second point. If the Church's teaching on contraception were erroneous, then those using contraception with a conviction that it is morally legitimate would not be acting out of ignorance, but out of true opinion or knowledge. However, since I follow the Church's teaching on this point, I assumed that those who are convinced that contraception is not wrong are in ignorance&#8211;either culpable or inculpable ignorance.</p>
<p>If it helps to consider the point of this post, one might replace "use artificial contraception" with "have an abortion", "kill a sickly relative who cannot enjoy life anymore," "torture someone for the sake of vengeance", or something similar. Any of these could in principle be done with a conviction that the act is morally justified, and this mistaken conviction would either be inculpable/invincible, or culpable (the case I take up in this post).</p>
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