Comments on: Legionaries of Christ http://www.pathsoflove.com/blog/2009/07/legionaries-of-christ/ A Catholic blog on the vocation to love and holiness, on the thought of St. Thomas Aquinas, and on diverse theological and philosophical questions. Tue, 07 Feb 2012 20:12:52 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Daithe de Paore http://www.pathsoflove.com/blog/2009/07/legionaries-of-christ/#comment-91 Daithe de Paore Mon, 26 Apr 2010 05:00:54 +0000 http://www.pathsoflove.com/blog2/?p=74#comment-91 Elizabeth, To say hateful is wrong. Truthful would be better. Maciel is not my enemy but the enemy of Christ. People often write very strong things on blogs against people other than Priests. They even attack them with lies and calumnies. I only said what the world finally knows. Maciel raped children including his own and brought them to the Vatican and knowingly fooled Pope John Paul and destroyed the lives of many people. I have prayed for him but many Catholics have to stop trying to rationalize away the evil in our Church and listen to what the Holy Father is saying. If you were comfortable with the lies for so long as many in RC and LC were of course you will invoke a great holiness now. The time for self-deceit is over and trying to silence people through "spiritual" talk will no longer work. Elizabeth, if you simply admit that the guy was a complete conman as well as a pervert you will surprise me a great deal, if not I will have your number. God bless and purify HIS church. Elizabeth,
To say hateful is wrong. Truthful would be better. Maciel is not my enemy but the enemy of Christ. People often write very strong things on blogs against people other than Priests. They even attack them with lies and calumnies. I only said what the world finally knows. Maciel raped children including his own and brought them to the Vatican and knowingly fooled Pope John Paul and destroyed the lives of many people. I have prayed for him but many Catholics have to stop trying to rationalize away the evil in our Church and listen to what the Holy Father is saying. If you were comfortable with the lies for so long as many in RC and LC were of course you will invoke a great holiness now. The time for self-deceit is over and trying to silence people through "spiritual" talk will no longer work. Elizabeth, if you simply admit that the guy was a complete conman as well as a pervert you will surprise me a great deal, if not I will have your number.
God bless and purify HIS church.

]]> By: Elizabeth http://www.pathsoflove.com/blog/2009/07/legionaries-of-christ/#comment-90 Elizabeth Sun, 25 Apr 2010 21:33:01 +0000 http://www.pathsoflove.com/blog2/?p=74#comment-90 The comments Of Daithe de Paore are simply hateful. These kinds of things would not be allowed on any blogsite if they were directed at anybody other than a priest. Even when a priest is guilty of any crime, Christianity teaches to love one's enemies and to pray for them. The comments Of Daithe de Paore are simply hateful. These kinds of things would not be allowed on any blogsite if they were directed at anybody other than a priest.

Even when a priest is guilty of any crime, Christianity teaches to love one's enemies and to pray for them.

]]> By: Daithe de Paore http://www.pathsoflove.com/blog/2009/07/legionaries-of-christ/#comment-89 Daithe de Paore Sun, 25 Apr 2010 04:03:57 +0000 http://www.pathsoflove.com/blog2/?p=74#comment-89 Fair enough. It is important to keep balance and to recognize things as they are not how we would like them to be. That Maciel was a sociopath is beyond doubt and nobody of sound mind would doubt that he was one of the foulest individuals ever to appear at the church door. For years I told friends that the Legion was plagued with lies and liars and did so from personal experience. There may be good priests there too such as Fr Berg but I have met 6 and 4 of these told me little white lies to maintain a good image. It is certain too that Alvaro Corcuera knew about Raul Rivas and hid it from everybody thus participating in the tissue of lies. He knew it was a married man with kids whose face adorned every wall in a collar. Then they accused all of the victims of being liars, and of course talked of Maciel suffering like Christ. The legion allowed this knowing what a double life the guy was leading. What to do with the current leadership? Defrocking? They lied to Popes. Top that. Fair enough. It is important to keep balance and to recognize things as they are not how we would like them to be. That Maciel was a sociopath is beyond doubt and nobody of sound mind would doubt that he was one of the foulest individuals ever to appear at the church door. For years I told friends that the Legion was plagued with lies and liars and did so from personal experience. There may be good priests there too such as Fr Berg but I have met 6 and 4 of these told me little white lies to maintain a good image. It is certain too that Alvaro Corcuera knew about Raul Rivas and hid it from everybody thus participating in the tissue of lies. He knew it was a married man with kids whose face adorned every wall in a collar. Then they accused all of the victims of being liars, and of course talked of Maciel suffering like Christ. The legion allowed this knowing what a double life the guy was leading. What to do with the current leadership? Defrocking? They lied to Popes. Top that.

]]> By: Joseph Bolin http://www.pathsoflove.com/blog/2009/07/legionaries-of-christ/#comment-88 Joseph Bolin Sat, 24 Apr 2010 09:37:24 +0000 http://www.pathsoflove.com/blog2/?p=74#comment-88 Thank you for the link. I am not primarily defending or accusing anyone, but seeking to ensure that all parties in such a discussion reason logically, objectively, and fairly. I made no claim, for example, about whether Fr Maciel is or is not a liar, but about the broad generalization that "All pedophile priests are great liars and scheming and sick." Thank you for the link.

I am not primarily defending or accusing anyone, but seeking to ensure that all parties in such a discussion reason logically, objectively, and fairly. I made no claim, for example, about whether Fr Maciel is or is not a liar, but about the broad generalization that "All pedophile priests are great liars and scheming and sick."

]]> By: Daithe de Paore http://www.pathsoflove.com/blog/2009/07/legionaries-of-christ/#comment-87 Daithe de Paore Mon, 19 Apr 2010 06:34:15 +0000 http://www.pathsoflove.com/blog2/?p=74#comment-87 http://www.dnaindia.com/world/report_pope-john-paul-backed-praise-for-hiding-abuse-cardinal_1372772 Let us hope that this cardinal is a liar or else crazy. Pope John Paul was my hero and through his leadership I came to the Church. In Ireland we knew about the Pedophilia in the mid 90s and the Pope said nothing. I was confused. I thought there must be something we do not know. If this is true and the Pope condoned as this cardinal does the protection of pedophiles a canonization would be blasphemy. I hope there was a misunderstanding and it comes to light. A great line I was once told by a very orthodox Priest regarding myself was that I was "Too close to the Church, too far from God". He was right and his ecclesiology sound. http://www.dnaindia.com/world/report_pope-john-paul-backed-praise-for-hiding-abuse-cardinal_1372772

Let us hope that this cardinal is a liar or else crazy. Pope John Paul was my hero and through his leadership I came to the Church. In Ireland we knew about the Pedophilia in the mid 90s and the Pope said nothing. I was confused. I thought there must be something we do not know. If this is true and the Pope condoned as this cardinal does the protection of pedophiles a canonization would be blasphemy. I hope there was a misunderstanding and it comes to light. A great line I was once told by a very orthodox Priest regarding myself was that I was "Too close to the Church, too far from God". He was right and his ecclesiology sound.

]]> By: Daithe de Paore http://www.pathsoflove.com/blog/2009/07/legionaries-of-christ/#comment-86 Daithe de Paore Mon, 19 Apr 2010 06:22:30 +0000 http://www.pathsoflove.com/blog2/?p=74#comment-86 http://ncronline.org/news/accountability/how-fr-maciel-built-his-empire Is this good enough for you? Have you ever met an honest pedophile? Do tell. What is of great weight is that Maciel was a world class liar for decades and was backed by many many powerful people. Were they dupes or just accustomed to going along to get along? Talk of "natural sexual order" is ridiculous at this stage. Not that it does not exist but what is most pressing is the corruption in our Church where at least two cardinals are partly responsible for the rape of little children. Law and Brady. If I met a pedophile and let him go on and rape more I would hang myself and certainly not take up residence at Santa Maria Maggiore. You are misguided in defending these people, if you do so from some idea that I am anti-catholic or Church. I have worked in the Vatican and lived in Rome for three years and my blood boils when I think of what happened to those kids and how indifferent many in the clergy still are to this crime. http://ncronline.org/news/accountability/how-fr-maciel-built-his-empire

Is this good enough for you?
Have you ever met an honest pedophile? Do tell.
What is of great weight is that Maciel was a world class liar for decades and was backed by many many powerful people. Were they dupes or just accustomed to going along to get along? Talk of "natural sexual order" is ridiculous at this stage. Not that it does not exist but what is most pressing is the corruption in our Church where at least two cardinals are partly responsible for the rape of little children. Law and Brady. If I met a pedophile and let him go on and rape more I would hang myself and certainly not take up residence at Santa Maria Maggiore. You are misguided in defending these people, if you do so from some idea that I am anti-catholic or Church. I have worked in the Vatican and lived in Rome for three years and my blood boils when I think of what happened to those kids and how indifferent many in the clergy still are to this crime.

]]> By: Joseph Bolin http://www.pathsoflove.com/blog/2009/07/legionaries-of-christ/#comment-85 Joseph Bolin Tue, 13 Apr 2010 20:38:21 +0000 http://www.pathsoflove.com/blog2/?p=74#comment-85 Your affirmation is the first I heard about any refusal of last anointing. Do you have a reference for it? Universalizations are dangerous, especially in matters of great weight. It is not true that <i>all</i> pedophiles, whether priests or laity, are "liars" and "scheming". Certainly some of them are, but not all. The claim that they are all "sick" is sounder, at least if pedophilia is understood in the sense of having sexual attraction (and/or relationships) primarily for prepubescent children, since this is of itself a distortion of the natural sexual order. Your affirmation is the first I heard about any refusal of last anointing. Do you have a reference for it?

Universalizations are dangerous, especially in matters of great weight. It is not true that all pedophiles, whether priests or laity, are "liars" and "scheming". Certainly some of them are, but not all. The claim that they are all "sick" is sounder, at least if pedophilia is understood in the sense of having sexual attraction (and/or relationships) primarily for prepubescent children, since this is of itself a distortion of the natural sexual order.

]]> By: Daithe de Paore http://www.pathsoflove.com/blog/2009/07/legionaries-of-christ/#comment-84 Daithe de Paore Tue, 13 Apr 2010 18:29:16 +0000 http://www.pathsoflove.com/blog2/?p=74#comment-84 Fr Maciel sexually abused many many people. Never place him in the same company as Jesus Christ. He will now be with a millstone around his neck. He refused the last anointing and said "I said no", revealing his demonic interior. All pedophile priests are great liars and scheming and sick. They invoke a piety and even Our Lady to cover their tracks. I felt sick reading what the Priest above wrote. Fr Maciel sexually abused many many people.
Never place him in the same company as Jesus Christ.
He will now be with a millstone around his neck.
He refused the last anointing and said "I said no", revealing his demonic
interior. All pedophile priests are great liars and scheming and sick.
They invoke a piety and even Our Lady to cover their tracks.
I felt sick reading what the Priest above wrote.

]]> By: Rev. Anthony Kiem http://www.pathsoflove.com/blog/2009/07/legionaries-of-christ/#comment-83 Rev. Anthony Kiem Thu, 01 Apr 2010 14:09:25 +0000 http://www.pathsoflove.com/blog2/?p=74#comment-83 "We believe in the remission of sins" !!! The Catholic Church professes that Jesus, true man and true God, and his Mother conceived without sin (she claimed this prerogative herself at Lourdes "Je suis l'Immaculée Conception") are the only SINLESS persons ever living on earth. If someone claim himself or herself a person without sin, he or she is a liar. Turning toward ourselves let us make penance and thank God for his mercy, and please, let us condemn no one, even the woman caught red handed committing adultery. Our duty must go still further let us forgive if we want our sins to be forgiven. Coming now to the case of the Founder of the Legionaries of Christ. He and I are all sinners as I have said above. So in his humility he did not defend himself, and only said "I did not "molest minors", period." To me, when he kept his mouth shut, knowing that the pack of wolves which ran after him quaerens quem devoret, would be further emboldened, and his own reputation would be FOR EVER TAINTED, Fr Maciel has proved himself a faithful follower of Christ anointed with true charism. His great concern when he came up to the house of Jesus' Father was the future of the Legion of Christ and the Regnum Dei his spiritual children. But, let your heart at rest, Father Maciel, your followers have been - together with Opus Dei - great servants of the Church. When they are protected by patrons such as the Holy Spirit and Mary, who could harm them? They will be SAFE. "We believe in the remission of sins" !!! The Catholic Church professes that Jesus, true man and true God, and his Mother conceived without sin (she claimed this prerogative herself at Lourdes "Je suis l'Immaculée Conception") are the only SINLESS persons ever living on earth. If someone claim himself or herself a person without sin, he or she is a liar. Turning toward ourselves let us make penance and thank God for his mercy, and please, let us condemn no one, even the woman caught red handed committing adultery. Our duty must go still further let us forgive if we want our sins to be forgiven.
Coming now to the case of the Founder of the Legionaries of Christ. He and I are all sinners as I have said above. So in his humility he did not defend himself, and only said "I did not "molest minors", period."
To me, when he kept his mouth shut, knowing that the pack of wolves which ran after him quaerens quem devoret, would be further emboldened, and his own reputation would be FOR EVER TAINTED, Fr Maciel has proved himself a faithful follower of Christ anointed with true charism. His great concern when he came up to the house of Jesus' Father was the future of the Legion of Christ and the Regnum Dei his spiritual children. But, let your heart at rest, Father Maciel, your followers have been – together with Opus Dei – great servants of the Church. When they are protected by patrons such as the Holy Spirit and Mary, who could harm them? They will be SAFE.

]]> By: F. Bolin http://www.pathsoflove.com/blog/2009/07/legionaries-of-christ/#comment-82 F. Bolin Tue, 30 Mar 2010 11:13:11 +0000 http://www.pathsoflove.com/blog2/?p=74#comment-82 Another case that comes to mind is that of the movie "The Passion of Christ". Just about everyone agrees that this had tremendous fruitful effects, yet many also agree that Mel Gibson has made a mess of his life vis-a-vis his Catholicism. Another case that comes to mind is that of the movie "The Passion of Christ". Just about everyone agrees that this had tremendous fruitful effects, yet many also agree that Mel Gibson has made a mess of his life vis-a-vis his Catholicism.

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